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    Posted: March-14-2018 at 9:37am
Looking to know the width overall from tire to tire on a number 3 cc trailer from the late 60s. I can guess that it's over 7ft due to the boats that would go on them but probably narrower than my number 3 trailer on my 87. Nor did I find anything in the search engine, if it's possible somebody can measure for me that'd be awesome, or an educated guess from the trailer gurus
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Frankenotter had a lengthy thread going about swapping around trailers to fit in a small garage.
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So I updated the thread title and I will add to this one instead of creating more threads on the same boat. Hint-Hint.
Anyways we (Brian) and myself went and picked up a Wildcat I found on Facebook marketplace pretty much, poorly advertised. I recognized it right away as a CC, what I thought from two pictures posted was maybe a Baracuda. Got more pictures from seller, turns out a wildcat. There's no paperwork so in there lies a couple problems. He said he was told its a 71' but we all know how that story goes. We showed up and got all the interior parts (shot) which I did not expect so there's a bonus. It has a Chrysler motor. Valve covers say 300hp, we have done some research and year ranges this motor was available in the wildcat but we can not determine this is a 440? We just picked it up this afternoon so little time with it has been had to dig into it. Brian will post the pictures hopefully soon, last time I tried I was having problems,ugh. Pretty cool boat, overall condition pretty decent all thing considered. Gel coat will clean up pretty nicely we think.
#the lady's whip destiny isnt determined yet maybe a while. To restore or part out due to motor condition and no papers. Exciting either way
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I guess paperwork wise Joel it depends where it was last registered. A number of years ago if it was an Illinois boat there was an easy procedure to acquire them. IDNR was very helpful at the time.
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If the gel is recoverable then it shouldn’t be a parts boat... lack of papers can usually be overcome and plenty of engines available to swap in. I think that hull style may have changed in ‘70 or ‘71 (definitely by ‘72), joe may know the transition year as he’s had both (yours is the earlier one with more character). I thought the 426 was rated at 290hp, I know the later 440’s were rated 330hp. The small block LA/LM Chrysler’s had the displacement cast right into the side of the block- not sure about the big blocks. Very cool boat.

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Originally posted by SWANY SWANY wrote:

. Valve covers say 300hp, we have done some research and year ranges this motor was available in the wildcat but we can not determine this is a 440? We just picked it up this afternoon so little time with it has been had to dig into it.

Could it be the 413???


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This is out of the 1968 brochure. It does list the 300HP.
The Chrysler engine manual lists the 300 as a 413D.


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300 Hp could have been a hot dual carb 413 setup if earlier, or the base 440 setup if later - the 330 was 440 with a little warmer cam but not much change in compression or carb setup.
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I agree with Tim B.......Save the old girl! You will love the drive as much as the ride and so will the rest of the people on your lake! Go Team Mopar.
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How about some pics? Definitely worth saving if the gel is good.
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I could email them to someone to post. Brian is traveling all day so he said he wouldn't get to it till tonight. Almost positive it won't become a parts boat it was just worst case scenario thought before we picked it up. I'm convinced because the size of the boat and the construction the gel is really thick, or there's just so little Flex in the hull compared to the smaller boats so there is virtually no spider cracking
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Joel and Brian,
Does this look like the engine? This one looks like it's in a Century. They loved to put lots of HP in small wood hulls!!!



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Exhaust manifold look very familiar. It's a single card setup
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Joel, If you want, email me the pics and I will post for you


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Tracks from a Hellcat, thought it would go with Wildcat post
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Well Brian certainly seemed to have the Wildcat bug pretty hard after a quick ride around in the Fennessy/Pinkham collaboration down in NC so I don’t see this one getting too far away if he is involved. Especially if he got a ride in one that is running right… That's a 440 for sure, 71 seems a big late but possible and certainly I would put it 68+ with that cooling system. I can compare that SN to whats in my garage at some point and we will be closer. What is the status of that engine, known bad or just unknown?    The technology and parts are around to rebuild her for sure, just a question of time and money.   I am going to do my best to get out to GL with a big boat this year- just need to get a few more out there from Nebraska, Iowa, Missouri… and Chicagoland and we can have ourselves a BIG time for sure.
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Joel, it's pretty easy to tell what a Chrysler is. It will say 413-426-440 on the side cast into the block. It will be on the water jacket but signs point towards a 413. Also, the casting date will be right on the side of the block.

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Zach knows his mopars but it is still a 440, and will be stamped on a pad in the front top of the block (hanging out in front of the valley cover on the port side) with the displacement as well as the casting numbers on the side.
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Thanks Larry.
Good info thank you. Hopefully I'll dig into it soon here and see if the block turns. So the condition of the motor is unknown at this point. Although I spun the shaft when I was tying things down and it moved like it just had an alignment! Steering moves freely and the controls. Only thing that's missing is the bow light, tech, and the pylon. We have the rear seat, motor box and then it has two steel bucket seat frames for the front. There's one spot up on the Bow where somebody probably hit a dock so there's some kind of patch work there, a couple spots along the chine but otherwise it's in pretty good shape. Floor is gone....enough said.
Lots to dig into and investigate
Joe- just out of curiosity did that cover you have come with it? At badin it looked identical to my original 2001 hull cover. We put it on the boat for the time being and it's not very close to right.
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Thanks for all the replies and posting the pics. This is a very interesting find. Excited to see what shape that motor is in and do a more thorough inspection of the rest of the beast.
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Originally posted by SWANY SWANY wrote:

Joe- just out of curiosity did that cover you have come with it? At badin it looked identical to my original 2001 hull cover. We put it on the boat for the time being and it's not very close to right.


I bought that cover last year from boat covers direct, its not what I could call luxurious up by the bow flair so you have to have it centered just perfect to stay on, but the price was right and they just happened to have a pattern for a 68 Wildcat on the books.   I figure I might have to add a little material to the front sides at some point to make it easier to cover from the dock but I still feel pretty good about it.   They also had cheaper materials available.

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Nice find, I'd love a big block mopar in my boat.
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Brian- We need you to pull out the card and buy a cover...kidding.
The block is moving freely!!! Had a couple minutes of day light to try and spin it. Found 6 freeze plugs real quick all in the right spots. There's even more hope now.
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