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Duane in Indy ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October-26-2015 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 1342 |
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Knowing that this is one of Petes favorite topics I thought I would add some insight. The age old controversy of what oil filter to run brings to mind a story I will share. My first Lycoming airplane engine, a 290 c.i. flat opposed air cooled four cylinder, had NO oil filter at all. It came with a screen strainer that you would rinse out at every oil change Guess it was supposed to catch the bigger chunks. I replaced the strainer with a filter adapter. Airplanes can't just pull over if there is an engine failure. Kinda makes ya think. If we change our oil and filters in the boats at 50 hour intervals (some a lot less) then that equates to about around 1500 miles if we figure 30 mph. Is the brand really that important?? I know I try to buy the best filter I can but in reality is it that important in our environment?
Too much to think about when I can't spend all my spare time on the water. Come on spring. ![]() |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 36745 |
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Duane,
Prior to about the 60's, very few marine engines had filters ether. |
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Duane in Indy ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October-26-2015 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 1342 |
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Pete, Also before detergent type oil too. The old oils did not suspend the gunk. It just settled into all the low points. Now it suspends and gets trapped in the filter. Or at least that is the theory.
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Gary S ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-30-2006 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 11933 |
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Factory aircooled VW's don't have filters either but used a screen like the Lycoming. Common practice was to add a remote full flow spin on with fittings on a replacement oil pump cover. Later on spin on filters adapters were cast right on to the pumps cover. Small Honda motorcycles have centrifugal spinners on the crank to feed it with "clean" oil,the rest of the engine uses a screen.
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63 Skier ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: October-06-2006 Location: Concord, NH Status: Offline Points: 3340 |
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My take on this is the short change interval that most of us use on our boats does not relate to the quality of oil filter we use. I don't see it as clean oil being filtered for the first 30-50 hours then oil becomes dirty and needs a better quality filter with higher hours. To me, from first startup after an oil change, I want a high quality filter with uniform filter media, flow, proper construction to prevent any collapse of media, etc.
I'm not saying we have to use Mobil 1 or K&N or Baldwins to have success, but if I question a brand's construction quality, or don't know who makes a no-name brand, I stay away from them. |
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Jonny Quest ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August-19-2013 Location: Utah Status: Offline Points: 1161 |
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For many of us, the boat maintenance is a "labor of love". My engine doesn't need a K&N oil filter and VR-1 oil, but I LIKE using it. I also LIKE changing out my spark plugs and raw water impeller every couple of years. Small dollar$ but high on the satisfaction scale.
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1994 Ski Nautique Open Bow
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Morfoot ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: February-06-2004 Location: McDonough, GA Status: Offline Points: 4802 |
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Ahhhhhhhh the old reliable oil Filter discussion..... Winter has definitely set in.
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74Wind says...."Morfoot...He can ski. He can wakeboard. He can cook chicken. He can create his own self-named beverage. And..can also apparently fly. A man of many talents." |
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Gary S ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-30-2006 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 11933 |
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Spoken like a true Southerner. These guys have got a lot of bench boating to do yet. With the temps Pete has spring got nothing to do with it,he won't be out til July. That saves on impellers which will be the topic for next month. It's going to be a long winter,stay tuned.
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Smithfamily ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December-26-2007 Location: Orlando, Fl Status: Offline Points: 1509 |
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Haha! Bingo! I may be mistaken, but I recall someone saying that they liked the orange color of the FRAM, matched his PROMO. |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 36745 |
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SNobsessed ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: October-21-2007 Location: IA Status: Offline Points: 6634 |
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I used a purolator on MILs riding lawn mower (Kohler engine). The next change I noticed it was empty inside! The bypass valve must have been stuck open the whole time.
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Gary S ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-30-2006 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 11933 |
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That reminds me I have to get ice
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-05-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3666 |
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I think it's rather amusing that Fram (gets bad mouthed all the time on CCF) and Autolite (gets good press all the time on CCF) are both part of the Fram Group.
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Duane in Indy ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October-26-2015 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 1342 |
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Fram is all we run on the Funny car. It's all that will hold up. Maybe cause we have around 200psi of 80 weight oil. And we still blacken the bearings. Five gallons of oil only lasts 5 seconds (under load) and then we pitch it. |
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Riley ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-19-2004 Location: Portland, ME Status: Offline Points: 7425 |
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I used Fram filters for years until NAPA started putting theirs and Fram's dissected filters on their counters. Can't say I ever had a problem with a Fram filter though and some of my trucks went well over 200k and still had strong engines when I got rid of them. Great marketing on NAPA's part to steer people away from Fram.
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-05-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3666 |
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It's like every other argument out there, there will never be total agreement.
Just to give another example The old Ginger or Mary Ann argument Somebody like Pete would probably have to be different and vote for Mrs. Howell ![]() |
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phatsat67 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: March-13-2006 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 5943 |
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Wait, engines have oil filters?
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Riley ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-19-2004 Location: Portland, ME Status: Offline Points: 7425 |
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You only need them if you start the engine.
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shierh ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: April-29-2015 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 571 |
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Fram Filter is likely all that is needed in most cases. I used them for years on and off.
Cutting open a filter and looking at it does nothing. I suspect a flow test new and used along with particulate test of the oil after use is about the only real test. My Harleys I use Amsoil 20/50 along with Amsoil filter, forget who makes them but they are believed to be very good. I also use the same on vehicles. Guy that built the nautique engine for me said run Rotella and gave be a case of orange frams that he had left over. On my last boat with a pair of big blocks we used Napa Gold which is Wix. Will likely use Napa gold on the Nautique when I do oil again. Bottom line. Oil and filters are cheep insurance and various brands make us feel better so use what you want. |
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Donald80SN ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: January-12-2009 Location: Denver, NC Status: Offline Points: 3510 |
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I too vote Mrs. Howell. She is old and rich. If you can hang in there a few years, Mr. Howell's Millions is now yours. ![]() |
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1980 Ski Nautique SOLD Back to Cypress Gardens
2002 Sport Nautique, GT-40, FCT2, Cover Sports, Tower Bimini, Inc., Wet Sounds Audio System, Star Gazer Wake Edition S. |
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jbear ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-20-2005 Location: Lake Wales FL. Status: Offline Points: 8094 |
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you're supposed to change the oil?
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SNobsessed ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: October-21-2007 Location: IA Status: Offline Points: 6634 |
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Jbear - Just leave it in he engine & it will change itself - into black goo!
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“Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.”
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Gary S ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-30-2006 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 11933 |
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John uses the planet nautique method Chris, don't change the oil change the boat
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SNobsessed ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: October-21-2007 Location: IA Status: Offline Points: 6634 |
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I knew a guy that always bought new cars, ever 20K miles. Never changed the oil in any of them. He said they were running fine when he traded them in . . .
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“Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.”
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Morfoot ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: February-06-2004 Location: McDonough, GA Status: Offline Points: 4802 |
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We all know (or should) that Eddie does all of Jbears engine work including Oil changes. John isn't allowed to touch tools when it comes to boat maintenance.
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74Wind says...."Morfoot...He can ski. He can wakeboard. He can cook chicken. He can create his own self-named beverage. And..can also apparently fly. A man of many talents." |
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rosconole ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May-10-2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 567 |
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Amsoil is good 25,000 miles, not sure about that with a paper Fram filter though. NAPA gold is same as WIX. Amsoil filter is really soild metal casing in comparison you can wrench the hec out of it and never ever put a dent in it if your worried about a puncture ( I've tried) . Most of the better ones also have a anti drain back feature that does help on start up. Its all just $.
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 19795 |
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I would have suspected that oil life would have been a function of how much the engine is wearing rather based solely on the quality of the oil itself. |
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rosconole ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May-10-2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 567 |
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Not exactly, you don't change it or are in an extreme environment where you introduce dust or alot of moisture and/ or take it to periscope depth wear won't matter a bit. The quality of the oil and detergent qualities of it do help. But wear doesn't really come into play unless you let it run low or contaminate it(fuel or water) or run it hard on start up. Ring lands will probably wear out before the bearings so you won't see a ton of wear, unless it craps a lifter or valve then you'll be wishing you put that paddle in the boat. You can send in your own snake oil and have it analyzed for metals its pretty interesting what they find.
Many of the gas station private label oils are total junk and I wouldn't oil an irrigation sprinkler with them. |
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Riley ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-19-2004 Location: Portland, ME Status: Offline Points: 7425 |
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I used to run Amsoil in my trucks and would run it to 15k, but after awhile I noticed my oil pressure started to drop around 10K due to the filter clogging. I now use Mobil 1 and change it at 10K. If I have to go in for a filter change, I might as well change the oil and use something less expensive.
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